A Socio-Historical view: Hindu Society,Islamic conquest,Immodesty and Rape Epidemic

The recent Delhi Gang Rape,quite brutal,has prompted introspection in India.Ideas range from banning bollywood “provocative” movies to hanging the offender on the spot. People who took no issue with MF Hussein’s nude paintings of Hindu Godessess and women,argue in favor of banning “offensive” rapper Honey Singh’s lyrics. A rape epidemic in India has been in the works for decades ever since women began to be “liberated” and work and live on their own,expressing themselves independently and “immodestly”.This includes its outward expression,that of wearing clothing deemed “revealing”. But what’s the fundamental cause of the issue?

A study of history and societal attitudes towards women in India reveals dramatic changes from Pre Islamic India.

Both Islamic and pre-Islamic Hindu society had patriarchal characteristics,but each had different attitudes towards women,appearance and notions of “modesty”.

In the pre islamic period,numerous examples point to women’s appearance being liberal and not aiming to satisfy requirements to suppress male titillation nor are there any indications of unhealthy lewdness or branding of women on account of their appearance or dress. Temple art,popular expressions of public attitude and texts show a liberal culture that didn’t place women under Purdah or restrict their appearance. What might have passed for miniskirts today,were worn without comment or attracting unwelcome attention.Women in pre islamic India did not suffer from lewdness or perverted attention on account of their dress or lack thereof. During the Islamic period,all such depictions disappeared,and temples subsequently began being constructed without depiction of the “revealing” female form,thus pointing to a change in attitude towards women and the female body owing to Islamic rule and law.

In Islamic society,the converse is true and has always been so. The Qur’an and Hadiths specifically enjoins women to cover their bodies completely and cover their hair.The Hijab and Niqab are direct outcomes of this fact. The reasoning is male titillation ensues and it is the duty of the woman to cover herself to prevent male titillation and lewdness.Further,her contact with males is restricted to a close circle of males related closely by blood.

When Islamic conquest occurred in the Indian subcontinent,Islamic laws and requirements found expression in laws and social mores changing to accommodate Islam. Thus, Hindu society and attitudes changed as well over a period of 800 years. Change was most pronounced in North India. Hindu women began to cover themselves completely. Where previously they may have chosen not have covered their upper bodies, covering them became required to show modesty in accordance with Islamic inspired requirements.Covering their faces also began to be observed in areas which had close contact with Islamic populations and rulers.Rajput princes were forced to practice or express their “honor” by restricting their women as well to avoid lewdness from Muslims. Attitudes towards women,became Islamized and restricting women a matter of social prestige (Purdah),including confining their movements,their appearances by covering.

These Semi Islamic attitudes and mores continue to reverberate in India and Hindu society today,despite the formation of Pakistan. However, the modern Indian women,especially as they adopted western dress, no longer conformed with the islamic inspired definitions of Modesty. In a sense,they were going back to the liberal ethos and dress of pre Islamic India. However,the Hindu male continued to have his mind infected and influenced by 800+ years of notions of Islamic modesty.

The cause of the rape epidemic in India today is a toxic clash between Islamized attitudes and modern values. Modern values inspire women to dress freely and not be in confinement or Purdah. Despite being a patriarchal society, Pre Islamic India neither confined women nor restricted their dress. So a transition to Modern values from Pre-Islamic Hindu values would not have been as jarring,since many of the elements of modern society regarding appearance,movement and engagement were already present in Pre Islamic India.

60+ years of post independence pseudo secular rule by the Congress party in India made no attempt to reform Islamic inspired attitudes and pandered freely to Islam in Indian Muslims,who were inspired by values ingrained into them by the islamic conquest. Thus, modern Indian society continues to expect women to “dress islamically”,be confined,and unhealthy,perversions found expression in lewdness and Rape. If raped, it was their own fault.

To understand how and why Rape is treated in Islam,It must be noted that Rape is extremely hard to prove in Islamic law. 4 male witnesses to the rape are required,and the woman victim’s evidence is not admissible. Rape is also treated as a light offence, in contrast to adultery (Zina),which is punishable by stoning to death. In contrast, the best relief a raped woman may obtain in Islam is often “marrying the rapist” or being accused of adultery herself. It is not a surprise that no Rape convictions have EVER occurred in Pakistan,which applies Islamic law and convention to Rape.

Going further, the rape of non muslim women is sanctioned as appropriate in Islam.The Islamic prophet Mohammed enjoined his followers to rape and impregnate non muslim women as fruits of Jihad. Consequently, in Islamic societies,non muslim women,even if married, are fair game to be raped and impregnated without attracting adverse consequences.For example, Rinkle Kumari,pakistani hindu teen has been repeatedly raped and impregnated and has no hope of receiving justice. The Indian congress government,while loudly advocating for Palestine for 60+ years,has conspicuously ignored hindu women in Pakistan who are subjected to arbitrary rape and impregnation and concubinage by Pakistani Muslims. Rapes have gone up by 873% in 60+years, predominantly driven by pseudo secularism leading to a disintegration of hindu society.

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43 thoughts on “A Socio-Historical view: Hindu Society,Islamic conquest,Immodesty and Rape Epidemic

  1. Erroneous conclusions and no evidence for claims made.
    Do a bit of in-depth research. A detailed reply can cover most of points raised by you.
    But would suffice it to say: For a Rape victim 4 witnesses are only required for ‘hadd’ punishment. Under ‘tazeer’ if circumstantial evidence or modern techniques like DNA test etc prove guilt, then the perpetrator may be given any punishment under ‘tazeer’. And this punishment can even be a death penalty. (Tazeer punishments are under the discretion of the govt.)

  2. The principles established by the early Caliphs were also honoured during the Crusades, as exemplified by Sultans such as Saladin and Al-Kamil. For example, after Al-Kamil defeated the Franks during the Crusades, Oliverus Scholasticus praised the Islamic laws of war, commenting on how Al-Kamil supplied the defeated Frankish army with food:[14]
    “ Who could doubt that such goodness, friendship and charity come from God? Men whose parents, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, had died in agony at our hands, whose lands we took, whom we drove naked from their homes, revived us with their own food when we were dying of hunger and showered us with kindness even when we were in their power.[15] ”
    The early Islamic treatises on international law from the 9th century onwards covered the application of Islamic ethics, Islamic economic jurisprudence and Islamic military jurisprudence to international law,[16] and were concerned with a number of modern international law topics, including the law of treaties; the treatment of diplomats, hostages, refugees and prisoners of war; the right of asylum; conduct on the battlefield; protection of women, children and non-combatant civilians; contracts across the lines of battle; the use of poisonous weapons; and devastation of enemy territory.[14]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence

  3. What you state does have a basis in history. Misogyny an inherent feature of islamic theological and hence cultural expression has wounded the Indian civilization deeply.

    Naipaul’s works substantially touch upon this theme. Nehruvian Pseudoseculars including leftists, Islamic fanatics, Islamic apologists (muslims as well as Hindus among these) have also contributed to the diminishment of the Hindu ethos.

    Since the problem also has a political dimension-India could do well with the evanescence of the congressi culture that is sapping away at our national spirit.

    Amplify upon this article of yours; with some research a book should not be difficult. Best of Luck.

  4. So you believe that Sati pratha and bal vivah and Dev Dasi still practised in south India is because of islamic influence ??? such a bizarre conclusion…

    • william bentinck, hindu reformers, all did their bit to put an end to sati, the devdasi pratha will go as well. disciples of islam instead of ‘tu quoque’ should reflect upon reform. But having the rigid FINALITY of being revealed by allah, islam is doomed to be a big social problem for the world. Pakistan, afghanistan are but manifestations of the same problem. Huntington’s seminal hypothesis was spot on.

      • That is not the point that it was ended,the point is that , it did exist and that totally negates your argument, think about it again if you are not biased you will know.

      • who denies hindu society needs to advance? Hinduism is evolving and will evolve. the syncretic and changing nature of the faith are its strengths. of the abrahamic faiths even christianity and judaism have evolved with time; its followers are progressive. But islam due its finality is rooted in medieval arabia-cannot get out of its misogyny and hatred for others; still touts itself as the only solution for mankind.. through its dawahs.The impact of islam as always been through its visceral hatred of kafirs and of those muslims who are not muslim enough! Sunnis hate shias, ahmaddiyas… in sunnis deobandis hate barelvis, wahabbis hate everybody else.

        The core value of islam in trying to become mohammad (ahadith) has led to competitive cult formations-‘which is the better way to being m’ohd?’ Religions are made for man and not vice-versa. Reforming islam is a challenge to the world for muslims and they will not do it! And reformed islam is no islam since it is a god revealed path and that is the conundrum! In my view, the world will have fewer problems if this ‘ideology’ vanishes. It is no better than a stockholm syndrome!

      • so that basically means you an illiterate about Islam, read about Sufism you will know something.

        (i) Religious Impact:

        Before Islam, the Indian society was dominated by the Brahmanas and was synonymous with blind faith and dogmas, sacrifices and rituals of Hindu religion. The coming of Islam was a blow to the supremacy of Brahmanas.

        In the later years the saints like Kabir, Guru Nanak etc. who made efforts to remove the ill- practices of Hinduism are ample evidences of impact of Islam.

        (ii) Social Impact:

        India was divided into several sects and class when Islam reached here. Especially the condition of those who belonged to the so-called low caste was simply pathetic. They were held untouchables.

        Since Islam propounds that all human beings are equal and accordingly make no discriminations on the basis of caste or creed, Hindus in large numbers adopted Islam voluntarily.

        However, even the Muslim rulers got many Hindus forcibly converted to Muslim. Islam had its deep impact on the social life too. The practice of purdah has been the result of the impact of Islam.

        (iii) Cultural Impacts:

        The impact of Islam could be seen on the cultural life of the Indians too. The Hindus to a great extent have adopted the thoughts and belief of Islam.

        It was Islam that for the first time discountenanced all dogmatic teachings and made reason the test of faith. It has to its credit the spread of knowledge not only in India but worldwide.

        (iv) Impact of Art and Literature:

        No less was the impact of Islam on the contemporary Hindu society. It is well evident in the scriptures and architecture of those days.

        In every country that was conquered including India, the first duty of Islam was to build a mosque in which Allah would be worshipped. Attached to the mosque was a school where people were taught to read and study the Quran.

        From this initial point they enlarged the study of science, literature and art. Schools were founded, great universities established, and libraries were built, which laid the permanent foundation of knowledge.

        Muslims made great contributions to the practice of music and have many glorious works of art and architecture to their credit.

      • Well,i disagree with some of the things you claim.In fact,caste system rigidified under islamic rule.I don’t dispute that infighting and weaknesses made hindus vulnerable to a relatively small number of islamic invaders.Also,after islamic rule,there were no original inventions/science/medicine/mathematics in India.

        But more to the point,purdah is what we are talking about and the status of women.Purdah objectified women in a way not possible before islam came to india.So the clash between islam/purdah and the modern woman/lifestyle leads to a rape epidemic for reasons already explained in the blog.

      • Some more

        s a result of Hindus and Muslims interacting with each other two religious movements developed, namely Sufism among the Muslims and Bhakti among the Hindus.
        MAJOR ISLAMIC IMPACTS ON INDIAN SOCIETY
        (i) Religious Impact:
        Before the coming of Islam to India, the people were divided in several religious factions and an intense struggle was going on between Hinduism and other religions.
        When Islam was introduced to the people of the sub-continent, it attracted many followers because of its simple and easily understandable principles. The introduction of Islam completely transformed the Indian society into a well knit social fraternity.

        Islam came as blessing for the oppressed classed in India whose life had become miserable because of the deep rooted caste system Most of the Indian Muslims converted to Islam were belonged to the lower classes of the Indian society. Besides these Muslims there are also Muslims who belonged to the ruling families of the different Indian kingdoms. Some of these rulers were Hindus who actually belonged to the warrior castes of the Hindu society and adopted Islam.

        Islam brought a new way of life for them which they had never experienced before in the Hindu society. The respectable way of life, shown to them under Islam, gave them a feeling of being human beings. Islam infused a different thinking and sentiments among the people of the sub-continent.
        (ii) Social Impact:
        India was divided into several sects and class when Islam reached here. Since Islam propounds that all human beings are equal and accordingly make no discriminations on the basis of caste or creed. Hindus in large numbers adopted Islam voluntarily. However, even the Muslim rulers got many Hindus forcibly converted to Muslim. Islam had its deep impact on the social life too. The practice of purdah has been the result of the impact of Islam.
        Since the Hindu society was living in isolation for several thousand years under a tight Brahminic control, it had lost its vigor and vitality. Bottled in their own customs and rites the Hindus were politically divided and militarily weak. This naturally resulted in a major shake up by the Muslim who was strong and better equipped.
        A sense of homogeneity and oneness grew in the social set-up after the arrival of the Muslims in India. Indian society was now a well knit whole and a sense of centralism had evolved amongst the various sections of society. With the arrival of the Muslims, India established relations with the other countries of the world. Diplomatic and trade links were established.
        (iii) Cultural Impacts:
        The impact of Islam could be seen on the cultural life of the Indians too. The Hindus to a great extent have adopted the thoughts and belief of Islam. The impact of Islam on Indian culture has been inestimable. It permanently influenced the development of all areas of human like language, dress, cuisine, all the art forms, architecture and urban design, and social customs and values.
        Conversely, the languages of the Muslim invaders were modified by contact with local languages, to Urdu, which uses the Arabic script. The Farsi language was introduced in the sub-continent by the Muslims. At the time of the Mughal, Farsi became the official language in the whole sub-continent. Even the Hindus used this language for communication. By the interaction of these languages new languages like Urdu and Hindi emerged
        In the rule of Delhi Sultans, there are constructions which are designed by Muslims and built by Hindus who could not shun their artistic excellence which they have shown in temple constructions. The materials used in temples were used later for the construction of Mosques which led to consist of Hindu element in Islamic constructions. Sometimes, they have only morphed the temple into Mosque by changing roof.
        Islamic influence was visible in the miniature paintings of that time. Due to Muslim influence there was a wide transformation in Hindu Art and cultural activities. Sufi created the spirit of tolerance. Muslim influence brought music out of the temples into the courts and chambers of royal families. Some of the Muslim Mughal rulers, who loved music and helped it grow, enriched North Indian music by incorporating Persian elements. New types of music like the Khayal, Thumri and Tarana were introduced.
        The Muslim conquest of India left a considerable impact on the Indian architecture and there was a unique development in art during the Muslim rule. Muslim architecture frequently mingled with the Hindu style of buildings. The Hindu temples, their pillars and domes reflected some glimpses of Muslims architecture. In the new buildings red stone and marble was used which was a significant characteristic of the Muslim way of construction.
        (iv) Impact on Literature:
        In every country that was conquered including India, the first duty of Islam was to build a mosque in which Allah would be worshipped. Attached to the mosque was a school (Madersa) where people were taught to read and study the Quran. From this initial point they enlarged the study of science, literature and art. Schools were founded, great universities established, and libraries were built, which laid the permanent foundation of knowledge.
        The old languages Sanskrit and Parakrit were influenced by Arabic and Persian and later on by Turkish language. By the interaction of these languages new languages like Urdu and Hindi emerged.

        (v) Impact on History:

        The arrival of Muslims in the sub-continent marks a new development in the art of recording historical events. Historical literature which existed before the arrival of the Muslims was mostly legendary and unauthentic.

      • you have wasted a lot of blah. we are talking about the finality of islamic teachings which come in the way of its adherents reforming their faith.

        Since its beginnings till date islam remains rooted in 7th cent AD Arabia as percieved by moh’d and his sahabas, no problems with that, except that it renders the vast islamic populace incapable of coming to terms with non-islamic world on a civilized basis. Bin laden, al qaeda, pakistani middle class, afghanistan, the failed arab spring all sought refuge in the 7th century; unfortunately even Turkey which embraced separation of religion from state under mustafa kemal and abolished the caliphate, is today under Erdogan regressing back to the Moh’dian ways…

        Reformation in islam is essential to remove the misogyny, its inherent arab supremacist trap and its perpetual urge to impose itself on the world (JEHAD).

      • excuse we are not talking here about Islamic reforms here, we are talking about your article saying rape epidemic came to India with Islam, which I have proved has no basis,but I know you will not accept because you are completely biased, and about Turkey that you wrote, the constitutional in Turkey cut Erdogon’s funding to half just because in one speech he gave a reference to Islam, and how BJP ruling India which is totally based on Hindu religion ……

      • Islamic reforms is an urgent global need. See the drift of my letters-(since you are communicating with me and not Mr.Garg). That islam will not address this problem is the main thing.

        Unfortunate, that much of humanity’s progress will be stymied by a group of people trapped by mohammadanism (allah is mohammad’s alter ego and advocates jehad against non-believers).

        The theatres of Islam present a dismal picture of hate and regression. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, lebanon, Egypt, Nigeria, Somalia…. India has its fair share of islamic problems (kashmir, common civil code, …). Allah, sorry Mr. Mohammad will not rest till the whole world regresses to oblivion.

      • You have not answered any of the below—

        excuse we are not talking here about Islamic reforms here, we are talking about your article saying rape epidemic came to India with Islam, which I have proved has no basis,but I know you will not accept because you are completely biased, and about Turkey that you wrote, the constitutional court in Turkey cut Erdogon’s party’s funding to half just because in one speech he gave a reference to Islam, and how BJP ruling India which is totally based on Hindu religion …
        if you condemn demolition of Bamian, then do you also condemn demolition of Babri mosque, I do condemn both the act of extremism..But I know you will not,because you do not have a free thinking, the world will be reformed when individual people reform, reform yourself first and then talk about others..

      • Arqum beg are u from the timmurid dynasty by any chance? Since u belong to the ummah your views must be right.

        Your knowledge both of the past as well of the present is in keeping with your quranic action of religious dissimilitude. Whatever it is you are doing is remarkable; keep it up! Cheers!

      • that shows your frustration that you are out of arguments!!! I am an Atheist for your information!!!

      • Taqqiya. Don’t u have any respect for mahound?. Born in the satanic faith. You call yourself an atheist! You are an apostate a takfir! your ridda will be punished by Allah!

        If you are a takfir then I am a murtadd; to me ex-muslims are good people but not those commiting taqqiya like you:-

        Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

        Qur’an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

        Qur’an (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

        Qur’an (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

        Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

        Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.”

        Best of Luck!

      • Interepretation of verses are subject to debate and there is no consensus, i have not read Quran and I dont know about that and I am not discussing that here, I have no interested in discussing that as well but the point is that You have still not answered the original question that I raised regarding your post and the post that you are doing now are just to deviate the original topic

      • I see Islam as a regressive, violent, arab supremacist, misogynist, and tyrannical cult. Its followers are a problem to this world. They can exist only under repressive monarchies, dictatorships, or army-controlled democratic facades.

        You claim not to know anything about quranic verses and yet defensively claim that they are open to debate-a convenient tool of obfuscation used by members of this desert cult to hide the evil advocated by their religious teachings. Taliban, Boko haram, lashkar-e-jhangvi, lashkar-e-toiba, al qaeda, sipah-e-sahaba use these tactics.

        By claiming to be an atheist and then vigorously defending such an evil cult of mahound you and your ilk contribute to fitna-the ultimate reality of which manifeats in afghanistan and pakistan where muslims are on a self-destructive campaign after having destroyed all the minorities over there.

        You clarify whether you are a taqfir or you are indulging in taqqiya; then as a kafir, I will decide my response.

      • you will decide your response based on my religion!!! shame on you !!!, and you have not answered the questions yet !!

      • Your religion! aren’t you an atheist?!! So you are a taqqiya moron then. Face towards mecca, the land of your Arab master and do the needful, follow the holy book and become a good mohammedan. As a kafir, i condemn ISLAM.

      • and you are real hypocrite, you condemn other religion BUT NOT YOUR OWN for all the reason that I gave STILL NOT HYPOCRITE!!!

      • And the mention about satanic faith, please refrain to use such words, every faith has a good and bad face, do you have a count of number of women burnt for sati, the status widows in hinduism, the number of hindu women killed for dahej, the numebr of people killed in the name of RAM for 1991 movement,the sitution of lower caste in hinduism those dalits whoever denied everything till date so one can call hinduism the most cruel religion….but I will not because i belive in individual people’s good and bad not their community or religion

      • if you condemn demolition of Bamian statues by Taliban, then do you also condemn demolition of Babri mosque, I do condemn both the act of extremism….do you ????

      • And the mention about satanic faith, please refrain to use such words, every faith has a good and bad face, do you have a count of number of women burnt for sati, the status widows in hinduism, the number of hindu women killed for dahej, the numebr of people killed in the name of RAM for 1991 movement,the sitution of lower caste in hinduism those dalits whoever denied everything till date so one can call hinduism the most cruel religion….but I will not because i belive in individual people’s good and bad not their community or religion

      • if you condemn demolition of Bamian, then do you also condemn demolition of Babri mosque, I do condemn both the act of extremism.

  5. This article ignores the fact that rapes have occurred in pre-Islam India. Pardon my ignorance but weren’t Draupadi and Sita raped, i have heard that some versions of Mahabarata and Ramayana have stated it.

    • Well,according to legend,draupadi was subjected to molestation (disrobing attempt) but her cloth constantly replenished by divine intervention (krishna) and as for sita,abduction but not molestation/rape is what the epic says.
      But more to the point,I am not saying rapes were unknown in pre islamic india.However,they were not an epidemic as they became following islamic rule of 800 yrs,today and in the last few decades.The reason is a clash of culture between purdah-based and modern-independent woman.This clash would have been far less had not islamic mores led to purdah,and hence a rape epidemic would not have occurred.

      • Wow so once again it based on women what they wear that incite men for raping them.. thats the most ugly argument I have ever heard.

  6. Excellent analysis even if short and to the point. I agree with vrshenoy, no need to repeat what he has said except the last part. Please expand on this with references. Thank you very much and keep up the good work.

  7. Modifying my belief – by Osama Dorra, former member of Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt.

    I decided to deactivate my practice of Islam as a religion because the “cognitive dissonance” between some of its details and what I think is rational, just and logical has reached a limit that is beyond my comprehension.

    I have resolved to reduce the status of Islam to a “cultural reference” that sets the tone for my morals, until I find another reference, or adopt it again as a religion.

    The Arab Spring has shaken our confidence in what we were like before revolutions. It has become clear that the assumptions upon which we built our lives were not all sound, the institutions that led us were not all efficient or honest, and the people we thought highly of were not all worthy of that praise.

    Hence, the current generation carries the burden of re-inspecting everything that has now come under doubt until God shows us the truth.

    In the context of the current volatile situation, I was tormented by three incidents in particular that involved doctrinal controversy.

    First, the violent protests against the film that insulted Prophet Mohamed. These protests highlighted that the penalty for insulting the Prophet in Sharia is execution.

    This penalty seemed to me incompatible with the “tolerance,” “compassion” and “freedom” we attribute to Islam. In fact, it made Western legal codes, which allow for “freedom of expression,” seem more sensible, tolerant and fair.

    Then I heard the Friday prayer preacher telling the story of a blind man who had a female slave who nursed him. The man married the woman and they had two children. But, one day, he stabbed her in the stomach when he heard her saying something about the Prophet of which he disapproved, though she was pregnant with their third child.

    And when he admitted to the Prophet why he killed her, the Prophet said: “Be witnesses that killing this woman has become lawful.”

    This story is taken from Ibn Dawoud’s teachings and was told by Ibn Abbas.

    According to the standards of the Hadith tellers, it is believed to be correct, despite the fact that it is weird, savage and contradictory to what we think of Islam. I do not think the Prophet of Mercy would have approved of such a thing.

    Second, in a TV interview, the host, Wael al-Ibrashy, asked Yasser Borhamy, the deputy leader of the Salafi Dawah movement in Alexandria, about his opinion of the marriage of a girl. Borhamy’s answer was that he cannot forbid what God and his Messenger have allowed, and that underage marriage is permissible if the girl tolerates it.

    He cited a section of the fourth verse of Surat al-Talaq (Divorce), saying “those who have not menstruated” must wait three months before they marry again, meaning that like adults a girl must also wait three months before marrying again.

    I was dismayed that the Quran should have a text like this. And, if the preachers insist that the Quran is not a historically conditioned text that can be a source of inspiration and a base for measurement (qiyas), without being literally applied, I cannot help but wonder if God had really permitted sexual abuse of children in his last message to humans.

    Third, the Mauritanian Initiative for the Resurgence of Abolitionism’s burning of the books of the Maliki doctrine whose violation is seen as a “violation of the values and identity of society.”

    These books distinguish between a free person and a slave regarding the right to life, and exempt a master from penalty if he kills his slave. And, if a master kills another master’s slave, he is only obliged to pay the value of that slave.

    This is what the writers of these books understood from verse 178 of Surat al-Baqarah that says: “Prescribed for you is legal retribution for those murdered — the free for the free, the slave for the slave.”

    It became clear from the debate accompanying this incident that, unless it is interpreted in a humanistic manner, the founding text of religion cannot be referred to in a battle against slavery.

    Furthermore, those who restrict themselves to the literal meaning of the text promise themselves that if jihad returns, the possession of women as war hostages and the slave trade will also return. This is happening while contemporary humans have surpassed all that is honorable and merciful.

    But the matter goes beyond these three issues to larger issues. There is nothing that compels my generation to have confidence in the choices of society or accept its truisms.

    The people of our country have fallen into humiliating failure and poverty. They reminisce that if they return to their past, they will retrieve glory. But the fact is that others on this planet have advanced themselves with the repositories of wisdom and with God’s unequivocal blessings.

    Add to this those who have appointed themselves as the “guardians of belief.” These people think they are carrying out a sacred mission, are more capable of leading the country and are closer to God. But, the fact is, they lie, break promises, spread rumors to satisfy their interests, cast doubts on the chastity of those who have opinions different from theirs, and defer social justice if it contradicts their aim of hegemony.

    Is this religion? Well then, my religion is different from yours.

    When people face new facts that contradict their old beliefs, they pass through pain that could damage their souls. Under such circumstances, they sometimes revoke their beliefs, deny the new facts or interpret these facts in a way that allows for their coexistence with the old ones.

    But I have chosen that most straightforward and unhurried reaction to this crisis: I chose to freeze my old beliefs without dropping them. I chose to deliberate the old and the new without arriving at an absolute conviction. I am reconsidering all religions and philosophies. So help me God.

    Many young people have opted before for a choice similar to mine, some mixing it with unrestrained behavior in oppostion to a society they feel besieges them. But the majority of those who have opted for my choice keep silent, fearing the “delegates of God” who abound in our country.

    Here is the message that my generation sends to those who control this country: Purify religion from all the jurisprudential horror and elevate it above political misuse, or else we will reject you and your beliefs altogether.

    Translated by Ibrahim Hab el-Roman

    Osama Dorra is a writer and columnist, and a former Muslim Brotherhood member. This article is an edited version of his blog entry, written in Arabic.

    This piece appears in Egypt Independent’s weekly print edition.

    • I condemn everything about islam that condemn-able, and so about christianlity and Hinduism but do you condemn Hinduism for the reasons that I mentioned,You are talking everything but CANNOT ANSWER MY QUESTION, HYPOCRITE!!!!HYPOCRITE!!!!!

      • Then we are on common ground. I too condemn Islam and its dictator mehmood. At least we share some common ground. Also, I admire your atheism.

      • Wow and you condemn Islam but you dont condmen your religion ???? what do call this if not BIAS …

      • Since both of us hate that evil moron mehmood who screwed your faith because of which u claim to be atheist.

        From the land of the deranged prophet:

        Sri Lanka will gradually stop allowing women to work as housemaids in Saudi Arabia after a Sri Lankan was executed in the country over the death of an infant in her care, the Colombo government said.

        The government said it would raise the minimum age for female domestic workers to be eligible to seek employment in Saudi Arabia to 25 years from the present 21 with an eye on eventually stopping such employment altogether.

        “Gradual phase-out is the idea,” government spokesman Keheliya Rambukwella said. “We can’t stop it overnight. It’s a gradual process and increasing the age limit is part of that.”

        Colombo recalled its envoy to Saudi Arabia in response to the beheading on January 9 of Rizana Nafeek, who was sentenced to death in 2007 accused of killing her employer’s daughter while she was bottle-feeding.

        A third of the two million Sri Lankan maids working abroad are in Saudi Arabia, according to the country’s foreign employment bureau.

        Many households in the Middle East are highly dependent on housemaids from African and South Asian countries.

        In some cases of reported domestic abuse, maids have attacked the children of their employers after they were mistreated themselves.

        In the case of Nafeek, the Saudi interior ministry said, the infant was strangled after a dispute between her and the baby’s mother.

        Rights groups have criticised the beheading and Saudi Arabia’s handling of the case. In a statement before the execution, Amnesty International said that it appeared Nafeek had no access to lawyers either during her pre-trial interrogation or at her trial in 2007.

      • Have you mastered deviating from the point and not answering to question wherever you are not comfortable ???? the questions inconvenient to you , you dont have to answer right as per your belief WOW….

      • one cannot argue with murder, genocide, and tyranny of the islamic hordes. Ask this to the jews of banu qurzaya, the armenians of the ottoman empire, our very own kashmiri pandits, the baluchis and sindhus of pskistan… The list of islamic bloodlust is long….

        No religion christian, jewish, hindu, buddhist, Parsi(zoraster) has a moral dilemma to the extent that Shitty islam has. you cannot compare a slap with a nuclear explosion. Islam is in a class of its own when it comes to moral depravity-Each muslim amplifies this depravity by getting inspired by quran and ahadith to riot and go on a jehad and impose this bullshit depravity of a mohammadian faith on those whom you despise as kafirs….

        In short, only Islam is worth destroying for the sake of peace and progress in the world.

      • Now I know you are not only HYPOCRITE but also a COWARD .. if you have guts answer me on this….
        if you condemn demolition of Bamian, then do you also condemn demolition of Babri mosque, I do condemn both the act of extremism.

      • arqum, since u no longer follow islam and hate that prophet mehmood, in a lighter vein, a joke on his brainwashed followers, enjoy:-D , hope u are not the 25th! 😀

        Q: How many Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?
        A: 25.

        3 to puzzle over the technology of a light bulb while wiggling their bottoms in the air 5 times a day, 3 to think more about it while wiggling their bottoms in the air 5 times a day, 3 to think really, really hard about how a light bulb works while wiggling their bottoms in the air 5 times a day, then 3 Muslims to decide that light bulbs are an evil infidel technology, four Muslims to destroy the light bulb, 2 to kill the people who sold the light bulb, 3 to kill everyone at the light bulb factory and three Muslims to blow themselves up when the ambulances come to tend the wounded. Finally, the 25th Muslim has to jump up and down screaming about how Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

      • since you spoke about medical attention; here is a piece which you as an atheist should appreciate

        from:
        http://ren4th.blogspot.in/2012/01/psychoanalysis-of-prophet-muhammad.html

        Psychoanalysis of the Prophet Muhammad
        “egocentric-adj. (ˌē-gō-ˈsen-trik also ˌe-) 1. concerned with the individual rather than society 2. taking the ego as the starting point in philosophy 3. limited in outlook or concern to one’s own activity or needs” (Merriam-Webster, 2011)

        How does one create a religion? What makes a man believe that he has divine sight? And how does one interpret the voices he hears as the voice of god? It is impossible to ignore the similarities in the words of the god of Muhammad, and symptoms of one suffering from some type of psychosis. It seems strange that the rationale behind the actions of the most holy seem to be exactly that of one suffering from insecurities caused by abandonment. Jealousy, insecurity, inability to accept responsibility, and an intense need for power and control to compensate for the former are signs of emotional trauma, and the same traits of the god Allah as described in the Qur’an. The fear can create an egotistical personality caused by an overcompensation of trying to be significant enough that desertion cannot happen again.
        In 610 A.D. a man woke from a dream in a state of fear and ran home to take shelter, the man was so startled that he took cover under a blanket and hid. Comforted by his wife, the man emerged and explained to her the dream that had him in such a condition. He told her that he was approached by the angel Gabriel and told to read. The uneducated man declared that he could not read, the angel demanded again that he read the word of god, and again the man claimed he could not read. The third time the angel embraced the man and said “Recite in the name of your lord who created! He created man from that which clings! Recite; and thy lord is most bountiful, He who has taught by pen, taught man what he knew not.” Reassuring her husband, she convinced him that he was not delusional, that he must be a prophet and to demonstrate that she believed that he had seen a messenger of god, she became his first follower, thus began the movement that became a religion. The man was Abu al-Qasim Muhammad Ibn Abd Allah Ibn Abd al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim, more commonly known as Muhammad. The name Muhammad means, Highly Praised, which is exactly what he would become with a current following of over one billion loyal members of the Islamic faith (PBS, 2002).
        The life of Muhammad was a difficult existence, to say the least. Born in Mecca in the year 570 A.D., an only child whose father had died before his birth, Muhammad was raised by only his mother, Aminah, who had sent him to live with a wet nurse, Halima, for the first years of his life. At the age of six, the future prophet traveled with his mother to the sight of his father’s grave. Sometime on their return to home, Aminah became sick and passed away on the road between Medina and Mecca. Muhammad would go on to live with his paternal grandfather, Abdul al-Muttalib, who just happened to be the most respected elder in the holy city. When Muhammad was eight, al-Muttalib died, leaving the divine child orphaned again (PBS, 2002).
        Living now with his uncle, Abu Talib, Muhammad would become a shepherd in order to pay his way. Later in his adolescence, the young man would travel with his uncle’s trading caravan. As a traveler and a trader, Muhammad would earn respect from other dealers, earning the nickname El Amim, meaning “one you can trust”. His reputation as an honest trader earned him employment from a wealthy widow named Kadija bint Khawalayd. Eventually Kadija would propose marriage to Muhammad, and though she was almost fifteen years his senior, they would wed. He would go on to father six children with Kadija, two sons, both of whom would die as infants, and four daughters. It was only after the death of Kadija that Muhammad would become a polygamist, and take on twelve wives (PBS, 2002).
        During the life of Muhammad, the city of Mecca was recognized as the holiest of cities, there were many different religions, gods, customs, and traditions. Mecca was originally the home of the son of Abraham, Ishmial, from whom the term Islam is derived. Muhammad would find solitude in the mountains surrounding Mecca and this is where he would go to pray, meditate, and discuss religion with others. This is also where the mullah would receive his first revelation delivered by the arch-angel Gabriel. For the next twenty three years, he would continue to communicate with Allah, via Gabriel. Though the oracle’s revelation instructed him to read, Muhammad would continue to be illiterate and would use scribes to write the communiqué he would receive, the writings would go on to be called the Qur’an.
        Arabia, at the time of Muhammad, was a continual conflict between tribes; always a struggle, even he himself became a warrior, and the leader of the army that would eventually retake Mecca. After retaking the holy city, all the idols and statues of the other religions were destroyed, and the Kabaa would be under the one true god of Ishmial. After the conquest of Mecca, he would go on to unite the entire Arabian peninsula under the Islamic banner. He would also continue to spread the messages of god that he would receive from the angel during meditations.
        Understanding the psyche of the prophet allows us to get better insight into the logic of the Qur’an. Why is god so malicious? Why would a loving god order so much destruction? Most Muslims claim that violence isn’t part of their culture or history, but if you look at the history of the Middle Eastern world, it has been a volatile epicenter of violence and death, the Sunni fighting Shiites, Palestinians fighting Jews and an occasional Christian crusade. The Qur’an clearly states “Fight ye those who have not faith in God, nor in the hereafter and (who) forbid not what God and His Prophet have forbidden.” (Mutahhari, 1985) So, for centuries they (Muslims) have followed this command, using this as their justification. This type of statement clearly comes from someone suffering from some type of anger or control issues.
        According to a Harvard Health Publication some of the symptoms of Paranoid Schizophrenia are: Presence of delusions, whereas disorganization and emotional flatness are not prominent. The delusions may not even be paranoid in content; instead, they may have non-paranoid themes, such as religious delusions or “delusions of grandeur”. (Harvard Health Publications, 2006) Could a prophet of god simply be suffering from such an illness? If you look at Schizophrenia alone, some of the positive symptoms are; Hallucinations (disordered perceptions) that may involve any of the five senses including sight, Delusions and distorted thoughts (Harvard Health Publication, 2006).
        Every relationship the courier of god had in his early life ended tragically. The death of a father he never knew, his mother mid-journey to visit his father’s grave, perhaps the most influential man in his life was his grandfather that he lost only two years after his mother, two sons, and the love of his life. Could this psychological trauma have had some permanent effect? A study by Jim van Os at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands concluded saying that childhood trauma can cause psychosis later in life, and in particular may bring out or exacerbate symptoms in a subset of susceptible people. (Spauwen, 2006)
        The intimate and convenient relationship that Muhammad shared with his angel, addressed issues of daily life such as, urinating, defecating, menstruating, what kind of water to drink, slaughtering animals, taxation, dress codes, loaning money, borrowing money, interest rates, rent, and mortgage, all the things that should be addressed at the human level and not the divine. Muhammad would speak with his elders and conveniently return with their answers after his meditations. Everyday life, every thought, every motion, and every action one can do is addressed within the Qur’an. One of these testimonies of god even says that it is acceptable to beat your wife should she spend too much money. A Muslim man in Buffalo, N.Y. beheaded his wife and argued that it was within his right according to Sharia law. (Elliot, 2009) Could the insecurities of a jealous, paranoid, delusional psychotic been passed down from generation to generation for the past 1400 years, and been responsible for the murder of a woman in Buffalo?
        The effects of Muhammad’s revelations on today’s world are seen every day in the news. The over throw of the Shah of Iran for an Islamic Republic, a political system rooted entirely in Islamic law and the Qur’an. The Shah lost the support of the people because of his aspirations of modernizing and secularization of Iran. (CNN, 2010) Clerical leaders initiated the government takeover, and once complete, the Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was the unattested leader of a nation. Today’s Iran is still controlled by the Shia sect of Islam. The year following the coup de grace of the Shah’s reign, the newly formed Islamic Republic of Iran set its eyes on liberating their suppressed Shia brothers being controlled by the Sunni minority of Iraq. (GlobalSecurity, 2011) At the end of this bitter conflict, almost one million people were either killed or wounded, and virtually no issues were resolved (GlobalSecurities, 2011). The difference between this war and most was that both sides were fighting for the same reason, all in the name of Allah.
        Even now, with the all out Jihad against the United States, the will of Muhammad’s self serving prophecies are still being carried out. The September 11 attacks, Milan railway attack, USS Cole, and on and on, Allah is proving impossible to satisfy. The world is bracing for the next attack, and it’s not a matter of if, it’s when. When will the next slaughter of innocent victims take place? When will the Jihad show its dreadful face again? Now that the communication lines to god have been severed with the death of the last prophet in 632 (PBS, 2002), should Allah change his mind, we’ll never know.
        In the Qur’an, there is a little known chronicle, a story that most Imams refuse to talk about. The story was brought to light with the 1988 publishing of Salman Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses (Rushdie, 1988) Though the story itself just hints at and humanizes the qualities of the angel Gabriel, one of the last acts of the same Ayatollah who tried to emancipate the Shia population of Iraq was to issue a fatwa against the writer, and understandably so, because the actual story of the Satanic Verses allows doubt in the prophet himself. A fatwa is a call for the death of someone in the name of Allah, from the religion of peace.
        The story of the Satanic Verses goes like this; during the initial creation of the Islamic religion, the people of Mecca refused to accept this new faith and even persecuted the righteous man. The tensions between the Muslims and the pagans of the sacred city were constantly boiling over and would escalate into violence. In an effort to ease the tensions between the people of the city, and the newly formed sect, Muhammad accepted three other deities as equals to Allah. The peers of the “one true god” also happened to be female. Surah 53 verses 19-20 says, “Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?” And in the original text this verse was followed by another known as the Satanic Verses, “These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries), whose intercession is to be hoped for.” The three cranes referred to were the goddesses that Muhammad accepted as equals to Allah. And the Muslims and the pagans prostrated. (Guiallaume, 1989) Of course the prophet went back on his word, and even claimed that Satan himself had fooled him into thinking that the words were those of Gabriel, hence the term The Satanic Verses.
        So, how does one create a religion? Fear, ignorance, and insanity. Keep the masses ignorant, ignorant enough that they will not question the Imams; all religions show trepidation towards education. Fear, keep them scared enough that they will only whisper doubts and not cause alarm amongst the ranks, intimidate the people into committing to your belief, and a leader that is insane enough to believe that he has direct access to the top divinity, whether it’s through a mediator or not

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